"Contradiction #23: Divinity Didn't Die"
Robert K. Sanders alleges that Ellen White contradicts the Bible more than 50 times.
The following is #23 from the revision of his document dated June 2002.
23. DID JESUS' HUMANITY AND DIVINITY DIE ON THE CROSS?
"In him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Men need to
understand that Deity
suffered and sank under the agonies of Calvary." (Manuscript 44, 1898,
and the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 907).
EGW: NO "The Deity
did not sink under the agonizing
torture of Calvary" (Letter: 1899, quoted in the Seventh-day Adventist
Bible Commentary, vol. 5, page 1129).
BIBLE: YES "We believe
that Jesus died and rose again" (1Thessalonians 4:14).
NOTE: The Bible repeatedly states that Jesus, the total Person, died on the
cross. Four of the first heresies Christianity faced (Appolinarianism, Arianism,
Docetism and Nestorianism) denied that Jesus was fully human and fully Divine as
a person. Orthodox Christianity maintained the complete unity of Christ's nature
in both His life and death. Thus Ellen White not only contradicted the Bible and
orthodox Christianity, she also contradicted herself.
Please excuse the wrong references, the missing "32" in the phrase "Letter 32," and the improper
italics. We aren't tampering with Sanders' document to make him look bad. Honest. All such mistakes
are his, not ours.
As in #15, Sanders gives the wrong reference
for the second quote. Letter 32, 1899 should be Manuscript 140, 1903. Additionally, the first reference
should be Manuscript 153, 1898, not Manuscript 44. The latter is the correct reference
for the two paragraphs immediately following the one in question, but the quote Sanders gives is clearly
marked as coming from Manuscript 153.
We find it odd that Sanders would claim that Ellen White contradicted herself and the Bible, without
giving any quotes or verses to substantiate such a claim. Note that the quote and Bible verse
given say absolutely nothing about whether Christ's divinity died or didn't die.
We were able to find a third quote speaking about the Deity sinking or not sinking, and that quote did
indeed address the issue of the Deity dying. Below we give you all three quotes in their complete context,
bolding the phrases that speak of Deity sinking or not sinking.
"In him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Men need to understand that
Deity suffered and sank under the agonies of Calvary. Yet Jesus Christ whom
God gave for the ransom of the world purchased the church with His own
blood. The Majesty of heaven was made to suffer at the hands of religious
zealots, who claimed to be the most enlightened people upon the face of the
earth (MS 153, 1898).—Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 907.
There is no one who can explain the mystery of the incarnation of
Christ. Yet we know that He came to this earth and lived as a man among men.
The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the
Father are one. The Deity did not sink under the agonizing torture of
Calvary, yet it is nonetheless
true that "God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting
life."—Letter 140, 1903 in Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, pp. 1129, 1130.
Was the human nature of the Son of Mary
changed into the divine nature of the Son of God? No; the two natures were
mysteriously blended in one person—the man Christ Jesus. In Him dwelt all
the fullness of the Godhead bodily. When Christ was crucified, it was His
human nature that died. Deity did not sink and die; that would have been
impossible. Christ, the sinless One, will save every son and daughter of
Adam who accepts the salvation proffered them, consenting to become the
children of God. The Saviour has purchased the fallen race with His own
blood.—Letter 280, 1904 in Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1113.
The first quote appears to be addressing a different issue than the last two. The first one appears to be
affirming the fact that Deity suffered on Calvary, while the last two deny the idea that Deity died on
Calvary. The charitable thing would be to assume that Ellen White is using "sink" to mean two different things
in these three quotations, unless evidence to the contrary turns up. In the first quote she is talking about
sinking in the sense of suffering. In the last two she is talking about sinking in the sense of dying.
It cannot be easily denied that Ellen White did use "sink" to refer to suffering and discouragement
in the 1890's. For example, consider the following two quotes, the first from 1895 and the second from 1898:
Most pitiable is the condition of one who is suffering under remorse; he is as one stunned,
staggering, sinking into the dust.—Special Testimonies, ser. A, no. 9, p. 6.
Again [Mary's] heart would sink as she recalled the words in which He had foretold the very
scenes that were then taking place. . . . Would He who had
given life to the dead suffer Himself to be crucified? Would the Son
of God suffer Himself to be thus cruelly slain?—Desire of Ages, p. 744.
We do not see how we could ever prove in court that Ellen White was contradicting herself.
Robert Sanders is considered by many to be an expert on Seventh-day Adventism, since he was a member for
so many years. He therefore is likely familiar with the fact that some early Seventh-day Adventist writers
were uncomfortable with certain speculations of nineteenth-century Trinitarians. Some of what these Adventist
writers wrote is quoted by modern anti-Trinitarians to bolster the claim that the Trinity doctrine is
of the devil.
For example, consider the following excerpt of an article by J. M. Stephenson, a First Day Adventist
minister who joined the Seventh-day Adventists in 1854 and left in 1855:
The Trinitarian view, I think is equally exceptionable. They
claim that the Son of God had three distinct natures at the same
time; viz., a human body, a human soul, united with his Divine
nature: the body being mortal, the soul immortal, the Divinity
co-equal, co-existent, and co-eternal with the everlasting Father.
Now, none of the advocates of this theory, claim that either
his soul or Divinity died, that the body was the only part of
this triple being which actually died "the death of the cross;"
hence, according to this view (which makes the death of Christ
the grand atoning sacrifice for the sins of the world) we only
have the sacrifice of the most inferior part — the human body
— of the Son of God.—Advent Review, Nov. 21, 1854.
While similar sentiments regarding Deity dying on the cross can be found
in the writings of long-time Seventh-day Adventist minister J. H. Waggoner, it is difficult
to find lots of other Seventh-day Adventist authors who agreed. It appears that this teaching of
Stephenson and Waggoner that Divinity died was not all that popular among Adventists.
But Stephenson appears to be correct that Trinitarians, like Ellen White, generally do not
believe that Deity died on Calvary. Consider the following from J. H. Waggoner:
Dr. Barnes, as quoted, says that "the divine nature
in the person of Christ" could not suffer, nor die . . . .
The Manual of Atonement, as quoted, says he could only die as
man; that in his divine nature he could neither suffer nor die
. . . .
Dr. Scott, who says his death was only in his human nature
. . . .
Dr. Clarke thinks it was the human, not "the divine nature of
our Lord" that died . . . .—"The Atonement," Advent Review, Nov. 10, 1863.
Talk to enough anti-Trinitarians today, and you'll find someone who claims that Christ's divinity
died on the cross, and that this is proof that the Trinity doctrine is wrong. This leads us to wonder
whether Sanders believes in the Trinity or not. If he denies the Trinitarian view that Deity did not die,
does he believe in the Trinity?
While we cannot find a good statement by Sanders one way or the other on his web site,
we did find a chapter of a 2003 book by John Schroeder on Sanders' site that makes the following
It was not the Second Person of the Trinity that died on
Calvary's cross, for God cannot die. It was the man Christ Jesus
whose precious, sinless blood was shed there to reconcile mankind
to God.—Heresies of Catholicism.
Nowhere can we find any disclaimer by Sanders saying that Schroeder is wrong and is contradicting
the Bible in making such claims. Rather, Sanders ends this web page by telling folks where they can buy
This is really odd. If Sanders condemns Ellen White's view that
Deity did not die on the cross, a view that harmonizes with the views of Trinitarians,
why does he also post on his site material endorsing that very view? Is it at all possible that
Sanders has decided that Ellen White was right on this one after all, that Deity did not die on Calvary?
If so, then why hasn't he corrected his "Contradictions" document?
Give Us Your Opinion
|Deity did not die: What do you think?|
|Sanders is obviously confused. He ought to shut down his web site until he can figure out what he believes.
|I believe that Ellen White is correct: Christ's human nature, not his divine nature, died on Calvary.
|Honestly, I think Ellen White and Trinitarians are wrong on this one. I think Deity died on Calvary.
|My opinion is that Ellen White always meant "died" whenever she used the word "sink." There are no exceptions.
Total Votes: 111|